Comments on: The Liberation of Freenode, Part 5 http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/05/05/the-liberation-of-freenode-part-5 Transmissions from the Little Blue Marble Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:29:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ad Terras Per Aspera » Blog Archive » The Liberation of Freenode, Part 7 http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/05/05/the-liberation-of-freenode-part-5/comment-page-1#comment-165 Ad Terras Per Aspera » Blog Archive » The Liberation of Freenode, Part 7 Sun, 21 May 2006 10:09:41 +0000 http://www.adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/05/05/the-liberation-of-freenode-part-5/#comment-165 [...] According to an anonymous staffer (who’s identity I wish to protect) thinks Rob has been doing serious cooking of books lately. As I previously quoted some information that I’ve been able to aquire, the PDPC made $18,600 in fiscal year ending June 2005, which as it’s under $25,000, Rob didn’t have to file an IRS form 990 (a tax return for non-profits). [...] [...] According to an anonymous staffer (who’s identity I wish to protect) thinks Rob has been doing serious cooking of books lately. As I previously quoted some information that I’ve been able to aquire, the PDPC made $18,600 in fiscal year ending June 2005, which as it’s under $25,000, Rob didn’t have to file an IRS form 990 (a tax return for non-profits). [...]

]]> By: Patrick McFarland http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/05/05/the-liberation-of-freenode-part-5/comment-page-1#comment-149 Patrick McFarland Fri, 05 May 2006 23:28:33 +0000 http://www.adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/05/05/the-liberation-of-freenode-part-5/#comment-149 Apparently, 2003's $75 in expenses are just for bank service fees (buisness/merchant account for PDPC?). The PDPC afaik doesn't have a physical location, and only has one actual employee, Rob Levin himself, and he works out of his home. As for 2004's $889, theres $278 on there for telecommunications (Rob, from what I've heard, uses a SDSL line, maybe this is it?), $258 for travel and transportation, and $352 for bank service fees. For 2005's $4,776, thats broken down to $1,830 in accounting fees, $668 service fees, $1,578 telecommunications, $500 staff development (wtf is that?), $200 in other expenses. So, yeah, theres no legal fees. It seems to be clearly marked $0 in 2004 and 2005. 2003 also has no legal fees. So, either Rob has a lawyer who really is doing pro bono, or he's trying to pull a fast one on us. Apparently, 2003′s $75 in expenses are just for bank service fees (buisness/merchant account for PDPC?). The PDPC afaik doesn’t have a physical location, and only has one actual employee, Rob Levin himself, and he works out of his home.

As for 2004′s $889, theres $278 on there for telecommunications (Rob, from what I’ve heard, uses a SDSL line, maybe this is it?), $258 for travel and transportation, and $352 for bank service fees.

For 2005′s $4,776, thats broken down to $1,830 in accounting fees, $668 service fees, $1,578 telecommunications, $500 staff development (wtf is that?), $200 in other expenses.

So, yeah, theres no legal fees. It seems to be clearly marked $0 in 2004 and 2005. 2003 also has no legal fees. So, either Rob has a lawyer who really is doing pro bono, or he’s trying to pull a fast one on us.

]]> By: Matt http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/05/05/the-liberation-of-freenode-part-5/comment-page-1#comment-148 Matt Fri, 05 May 2006 23:11:41 +0000 http://www.adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/05/05/the-liberation-of-freenode-part-5/#comment-148 OK. I'll bite... Where did you get the numbers for the expenses for 2003 and 2004? I can't think of any conceivable way that the PDPC had expenses of only an even $75. I count the following as being likely expenses for a first-year 501(c)(3), having seen a few sprout over the years: 1) Telephone service. This alone should cost > $75. 2) Utility bills. (I'm sure that the PDPC uses some form of utilities to carry on its work.) 3) Web hosting/domain registration. 4) Legal fees. Just about every non-profit I've seen has had to ask for legal assistance of some form in their first year. Lawyers tend to cost more than $75, too. And lawyers wouldn't stay in business if they provided all their non-profit clients pro bono work. So don't try to claim pro bono. :) There are many many other likely sources of expenditures which I can see for 2003 alone. I'd love to know where you got those numbers. OK. I’ll bite… Where did you get the numbers for the expenses for 2003 and 2004? I can’t think of any conceivable way that the PDPC had expenses of only an even $75.

I count the following as being likely expenses for a first-year 501(c)(3), having seen a few sprout over the years:

1) Telephone service. This alone should cost > $75.
2) Utility bills. (I’m sure that the PDPC uses some form of utilities to carry on its work.)
3) Web hosting/domain registration.
4) Legal fees. Just about every non-profit I’ve seen has had to ask for legal assistance of some form in their first year. Lawyers tend to cost more than $75, too. And lawyers wouldn’t stay in business if they provided all their non-profit clients pro bono work. So don’t try to claim pro bono. :)

There are many many other likely sources of expenditures which I can see for 2003 alone. I’d love to know where you got those numbers.

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