Rob Levin, the true master of social engineering

Wednesday, April 26th, 2006 at 2:30 am

It seems Rob can’t handle anyone being critical about his network, or the way he runs his network. In a recent post on his blog, he accusses me of social engineering, and implicating me indirectly for attacks, and also accusses me of lying about the terms of my leaving his network.

Well, isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black. Rob, you’ve been caught social engineering before. Remember that OFTC attack a month ago? That is social engineering. Posting things on your blog that are obviously not true, and people, not knowing any better, think it’s true, due to misplaced trust? That’s also social engineering. Not informing people about your current income status (which more than likely exceeds US$40,000 a year), and then asking people to donate money for your new motorhome? Social engineering, and which, that specific case may actually be against the law (IANAL).

Also, I don’t care that you’ve klined me from the network. You did so after I announced I left, and you did so as an act of malice. However, something I do care about, is that you are implicating me in the attacks against the network. How can I be on the network and present for the attacks if I am klined from the network? You, by your own admission, said that you klined me. Implicating me in the attacks, even when there is no way I could have been apart of them, is defamation.

Everything you quote that I did, such as asking many open source projects to move their channels elsewhere, is not social engineering. It is looking out for the well-being of the Free and Open Source Software community. I do believe whole heartedly that you are stunting the growth of projects; and by constantly begging for money, especially when the PDPC (your own non-profit) pays you a good sum of money each year, you are keeping money out of the hands of developers who could be using this to develop software. I am not the only one who complains about your donations runs: irc.debian.org and irc.gnu.org, among others, constantly threaten to redirect elsewhere.

Also, is it not a form of social engineering to use Freenode to collect money for the sake of Freenode? You do not pay anything for the hosting of IRC servers, as all bandwidth, and even the machines, are donated. The Freenode.net website itself could be hosted on less than $120 a year (Dreamhost’s L1 plan has upwards of 1TB of traffic a month, which I seriously doubt you are exceeding), and $10 or so a year for the domain. Yet, the PDPC is raking in the money. Just like your Spinhome project, this is, without a doubt, social engineering: you’re abusing the trust of all the users on the network, and you always have been.

Update: (4/26/06, 6:55pm) Just to clarify, that 1TB figure is only the website, and not the IRC servers. As nenolod (former ircd hacker for Freenode, who left because of what Rob does) pointed out to me, the IRC servers use about 3-4TB a month, and upwards of 16TB during an attack. However, the bandwidth the IRC servers use, and the machines themselves, are all dontated, Rob doesn’t pay a cent for those.

Update: (4/28/06, 7:39am) Oh, and apparently someone dugg my story. The description kind of sucks, and is a little flamebaity, but 11 people have dugg it, and I’ve gotten several hundred hits to this story alone. If you want to help with the on-going effort to get Rob Levin to stop abusing the community that he says that he supports, please, digg this story.

2 Responses to “Rob Levin, the true master of social engineering”

  • Rob Levin, head of Freenode, Committing Fraud?…

    I recently read an article in Ad Terras Per Aspera (Diablo-D3’s blog) about Rob Levin, the head of Freenode using social engineering. You should take a look at the article:[URL=http://www.adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/04/ ……

  • [...] It appears I am not the only one that thinks that Freenode (not worthy of a link), is going down hill, Patrick McFarland seems to agree as well, and wrote quite a long and sane article in reference to what is basicly Social Engineering, a point that I made (indirectly) in my comment: The other major problem with Freenode is the fact that lilo asks that people donate etc, (and for some reason people actually do donate – don’t ask why), but then does not take ANY notice of opinions of those that do donate, is that really encouragement for people to donate? [...]

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